God With Us: Prayer as Real Conversation

Otavio: 00:00

And you're seeing the misunderstanding Jesus is breaking down, the misunderstanding that the religious leaders have about prayer because you're missing the fact that this is something that is a personal thing between you and God that helps build and deepen and strengthen your relationship with God. And when you're taking that personal thing and you're not making it a public thing, you have missed the essence of that death that's needed for this relationship to be all that it can be. And so once again, the result of the break in the relationship is not because God wants the relationship to be broken, but it's because you didn't actually take the necessary steps to do what it took for the relationship to be built on a deeper level.

Nathan: 00:54

Welcome to the Loveshaped Life podcast where our dream is to see, experience and live in the center of God's radical love. We are in season seven, episode three, and I'm with my two good friends, Bob and Otavio, today. We're talking about prayer, moving into this speech of Jesus, this mountainside speech, talking about prayer. And where we're beginning is Jesus challenging two basic ideas about prayer, but before we say anything about what Jesus had to say, what's

Bob: 01:27

the purpose of prayer? Great question. So again, looking at the Bible's perspective of prayer, prayer is a communication mechanism between us and God, right? It gives it gives us the opportunity to communicate with God, and also gives us the opportunity to hear from God. So prayer is, there's a little saying that good communication leads to understanding, understanding leads to trust, and trust leads to love. So, 440, it's good communication leads to understanding, understanding leads to trust, and trust needs to love. So in any relationship, you have to have good communication, because as we communicate well together, we get to understand each other, where we come from, and our and how what we're understanding, and so on. And then that leads to trust. In a relationship with God, any relationship, the foundation is really trust. It's about trusting each other, and then trust leads to love. Whether that's a love relationship between, you know, a husband and a wife, or between friends or between coworkers, it's still a type of love,

Nathan: 02:31

right? I love that idea that getting to know God, being in relationship with him, is something that develops naturally and and this thing we called prayer, which I would could also say, would be a conversation. Is that fair? Yes, it's a conversation. How do we work with that, though? Because conversation, you usually hear something back. What I do about that?

Otavio: 02:57

Yeah, and it's very important in any healthy relationship, there has to be two way communication. There just has to be, can't just simply be a monolog. And so as we were going through, and as we're journeying through to this point, we see how Jesus is basically bringing forward the preeminence of love as a radical shift of the focus of the religious people of his day as he's communicating. And the core for any healthy loving relationship is good communication. And yes, it has to be two way communication. And so God has multiple different ways in which he communicates to us. We have the privilege of having scripture, for example, and that is a powerful way that he communicates to us, as well as through nature. Revelation, He will give us impressions. When we communicate in prayer, we have the opportunity to speak back to God, and when we speak back to God, we're also waiting to get a response from him. And he has multiple ways of of doing that for us as well.

Bob: 04:05

And just to piggyback, you know, again, any healthy relationship is a two way street, as you were mentioning, you know, and and good communication is huge in that and in the relationship that Jesus you had mentioned about, you know, building a foundation on love this, this is what he was introducing to the people. And so in that context of of this love relationship with God, there's this prayer, right, the opportunity to communicate with God, but inside again that relationship, there's freedom, right? God is the author of freedom. He doesn't force, he doesn't manipulate, he doesn't coerce. He lives leaves us free to choose, right? So we're responding to the love that he's sharing with us and the beautiful picture we're seeing in the character of God. And to think about that the Creator, our Creator, invites us as human beings, to communicate with him. That's right, directly.

Otavio: 05:01

Right? It's, it's powerful when you think about it, because the impact of the message he's trying to communicate, he has to share pretty much about prayer, because that is love, if that is really the focal point, which clearly it is, as we seen in chapter five, we see going into the beginning of chapter six that that is the central point that he's trying to highlight communication in a relationship, if it's going to be a relationship built on trust, if it's going to be a relationship that's really all about love, it's so important. So it makes perfect sense that Jesus would literally highlight the importance of prayer in the context of this overall message that he's communicating. So

Nathan: 05:46

you're you're telling me that we that when we talk about prayer, we actually are stating that we believe that human beings communicate with a supernatural, invisible, real being

Otavio: 06:03

powerful. When you think about it, isn't it like, that's it like God is like, I want to have a loving relationship with you, and in order for that to happen, we've got to be willing to communicate. And I'm giving you total opportunity and access to communicate with me. The God of the universe is saying, come chat with me. Come share with me your heart. Share with me what you're feeling, share with me what you're going through. I'm here ready to listen, ready to respond.

Bob: 06:31

Listen to what Jesus said in John chapter 15. This is what he says in verse starting with verse 15, he says that I no longer call you servants because a servant does not know what his master is Master's business. Instead, I have called you friends for everything that I learned from my father, I've made known to you so so Jesus saying, Listen, this relationship I have you. It's not about like a master to a servant, right? I'm not here just to tell you what to do and order you around. I'm actually calling you friends. So I'm putting he's putting us on this level of friendship. And he says, what I've learned from my father, I want to share

Nathan: 07:13

with you. Have you ever been around this friend, this person? It's someone you've respected, you've got them on a high pedestal, and you always feel like you're sort of this person you you're admiring, and you're kind of on the on the fringes, and you just have things you respect about them, whether it's the way they do things or whatever. And then one day, somehow you get to sit at the same table, and there's that moment in the interaction where you feel like, Wait, this person enjoys the connection they have from me. You get what I'm saying, that moment in the relationship where you're no longer just like this person, admiring and hoping that this person, that importance in your mind, will stoop down and have a mo give you a moment. But how it elevates you when all of a sudden you recognize that there's a sense of this person sees you as a peer. Now I'm not saying in the same sense that God sees us as peers, but there's something really powerful that God would sit down, lean toward us and say, you know, I really do want to hear. Let me hear. What was that? Again? I want to I want to hear that from you,

Bob: 08:21

right? He said, I call you friends, right? That's he's just trying to help us to understand the relationship, right, right? You know, he's still God, but he's trying to say, Listen, this is how close I want to come to you, right?

Nathan: 08:35

And then, so maybe our picture of God can be warped, too, whereas we see God in the high tower, sort of managing the down here, but the picture of Scripture shows God as with this model of serving. He doesn't have to come in and sort of defend his status, but he can come in as that friend who longs for that relationship. If

Bob: 08:59

you look at the storyline again in the Bible, you go back to Genesis, you'll see again, God coming to meet with Adam and Eve to communicate with them, to talk to them, and they could talk to him. So we see this, this like relationship going on. And all through Scripture, we see God's desire to have that type of relationship. It's human beings that often derailed it and and God had the work to try to bring him around. So Jesus comes on the picture, and he's actually called when he when he became a human being. His name was called Emmanuel, which was God with us. This is God's intention. This this oneness with us. So prayer is that opportunity to just communicate with our Creator. That is what he wants us to do is, but He's inviting us

Otavio: 09:49

absolutely. And here's the cool part about that he's communicating that he's accessible. God is accessible. Like think about you. Would you? Think that somebody who the picture that's painted, right about God is that he's up here. Everybody else is somewhere down here. And normally, you know, the way we typically would look at life is people that are up here, they're harder to get to, they're harder, they're they're not attainable. They can't be reached. God is basically like, I'm accessible, I'm reachable. I'm literally willing. Number one, this whole concept of Jesus on earth, God on Earth, like literally walking, he's literally saying I'm accessible, I'm right here. So prayer is God basically saying I'm here, I'm accessible. I am willing to walk with you, like the example of Genesis, I'm willing to communicate, talk with you, allow you to talk back with me like it's such a beautiful thing when we think

Bob: 10:47

about it, it is awesome. You know, back to what was happening here on the side of the mountain, and Jesus communicating with these people who came anticipating that he was going to set up an earthly kingdom to destroy the Romans. And he flips it all upside down. Now he's painting this picture of God as wanting to be in a relationship with them. This was like radical for them, right? This was not what was taught to them, and in their religious experience, it

Nathan: 11:15

would have been blasphemous, in an affront to their whole concept.

Bob: 11:20

So Jesus, again, just blows their mind, right? That this is who God is. He's accessible. Like you said, God wants to be accessible to each and every one of us. So this picture of God, where God is up here and we're down here, this is, this is a lie, right? The enemy has painted this picture in people's minds, as if God is not interested really in us down here, but Jesus comes along and teaches us and shows us something different, right, that God wants to be among us and with us, and we can talk to him, and he can talk to us through this dialog that we call prayer. Prayer is communicating with God and gives the channel of communication of God

Otavio: 11:59

to us. Wow, that's beautiful, awesome.

Nathan: 12:03

Yeah, so there's this book, fascinating book I'm reading by Lisa Miller. It's called the awakened brain, and there's an increasing volume of research examining spirituality. And one of the things that's caught my eye is what Lisa describes, what Dr Miller describes as the awakened brain, is a brain that is oriented to the world with an openness to connection. And anyway, it's not a religious book, per se. It's a book on spirituality. And what's fascinating is that it there's evidence in this teaching of Jesus that that's actually that the observations of science are actually observing the reality that human beings are, in fact, wired to have this sense of connection. And that prayer is is really this awakening of our own hearts to the sense of God communicating with us and to us communicating with

Otavio: 13:03

with God, wow.

Bob: 13:05

And to add to that, to we're wired this

Nathan: 13:09

way. We're wired this way, and that sense of connection is is scientifically demonstrated to be the single most protective factor against depression. This is, this is actual science. Again, not a study of Christianity, but a study of this sense of connection. When human beings are awakened to this sense of connection. In her book, it's not studying, again, a specific religious paradigm, but anyone who lives and nurtures a sense of connection is going to have spiritual wellness and resiliency. So here we are. Jesus himself centers this idea, like the full on, centering of it, that God is supernatural, but is inviting human, genuine human, interactive, dynamic connection. Wow.

Bob: 14:05

And I know that there's, we've all been there, and there's many people that are listening, perhaps today, that have never experienced praying at all. So we hope that as we journey together here, and if you're listening, we hope that as you continue to listen to this podcast, you'll catch this, the simple gems of where to begin and how to start, because God cares for you, and God loves you, and he's inviting you to learn to start. That's right, that's right. We want to, we want to help you in that journey, right?

Nathan: 14:36

Yeah. So the next three episodes Jesus, we're going to be talking about this framework for prayer that Jesus actually lays out. So before we do that, there's two key pieces in this teaching section in Jesus mountainside teaching two things that that he highlights that we want to spend just the last few minutes of our podcast before the wrap up, touching on. Yeah. And the first one is this. I'll give this one a shot. Put it out there. When you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites again. Those were people who prayed for the attention it got them. They were praying so their YouTube watches, their YouTube views went up, their their social media likes went up, and here's what they did, literally. They love to stand and pray in the synagogues, another word for religious a building where religious services take place and at the street corners that they may be seen by others. So the prayer concept that the people were seeing was religious leaders praying in highly visible locations, houses of worship and literally on the street corners in the market, so that passers by would recognize their great spiritual or you could say their great piety, another word for this Look of wow, that person is like a religious guru. And, yeah, yeah, sorry.

Bob: 16:06

What comes to my mind is Jesus goes through this. And remember last episode we were talking about the hypocrites would would give away, right? You know, their gifts on the street corner, so to speak, looking for attention. It reminds me of this word deconstruction. People. Oftentimes you use this word. I'm in a deconstruction zone, religious wise. So it's like Jesus was deconstructing, right? The religion of the day, right? To introduce a new product. Yeah, right. So the hypocrites deconstructing, don't pray like them, right, right? Ever wonder what it's like to truly experience God's love? At Loveshaped Life, we're here to guide you on that journey through our weekly emails, podcasts, blogs, coaching and more. We're helping people just like you discover the transformative power of Divine Love.

Nathan: 17:02

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Otavio: 17:16

And I want to just throw this out there and say this, there is a place for public prayer when it's for the building up of a community together. So there is, there is a place for that. And that's not Jesus isn't hitting on that. This is a situation where, when you think about communication, I think about my relationship with my wife. This is, like, one of the best examples I can come to. There are certain layers of communication that literally, for the depth of our relationship, it happens between the two of us, right? And that's, that's where it should happen. And there are certain conversations and certain things that we talk about and we work through that has built the depth of the relationship really that we have, that it's not really for anyone else. And you're seeing the misunderstanding Jesus is breaking down, the misunderstanding that the religious leaders have about prayer, because you're missing the fact that this is something that is a personal thing between you and God that helps build and deepen and strengthen your relationship with God. And when you're taking that personal thing and you're not making it a public thing, you have missed the essence of that death that's needed for this relationship to be all that it can be. And so once again, the result of the break in the relationship is not because God wants the relationship to be broken, but it's because you didn't actually take the necessary steps to do what it took for the relationship to be built on a deeper level.

Nathan: 18:51

So, oh, go ahead. Well, just thinking religious practice in Jesus mind, the point of religious practice was relationship with God that transformed me and how I interact with the people around me that nobody needed to know that I was religious. Nobody needed to know that I was spiritual. Nobody needed to know that I went to church. Nobody needed to know that I did such and such right. The the thing that the that they other people would experience was the positive impact of whatever religious thing I was doing, right? So his solution, which you sort of sort of got at, is find a quiet place in house, shut the door, and pray where nobody can see you. So you're focusing on this relationship with God, not its

Otavio: 19:38

public disappearance.

Bob: 19:40

Yeah, right. That's really what I was going to say in regard commenting on that. That so really what God is inviting us into when he's saying, don't be like the hypocrites, right? But go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. He's inviting us into that relationship like you had talked about. There's. Is a relationship between you and your wife, that conversation, certain conversations need to have in between both of you, right? So there's certain conversations that need to happen between us, ourselves, individually and God, because He knows our hearts, He knows our dysfunctionalities. He knows all of our wrongdoings. He knows perhaps the guilt and shame that we might have, or the hurts that we might have, and the battered, and, you know, being battered and bruised in this world. And so He's inviting us to come into this private, intimate communication with him, that that we can talk it out, and that he can also provide us with solutions if need be or apply the healing that needs to be done to our beautiful Zari

Nathan: 20:46

is beautiful. So prayer, then, is not like the like the drink machine at work that's got, you know, different soft drinks in it, where I plug my prayer time in, and I get the drink comes out, right? It's not, it's not the coffee dispenser in the in the office. You know, lounge prayer is a dynamic relationship. It doesn't always get me something tangible, per se, like an answer to the thing that I want, but it builds that relationship. God's my connection with God.

Bob: 21:22

He's not a genie in a bottle, right, right? It's a relationship

Otavio: 21:27

Exactly. You know, you're always heard, right? And, and that's

Nathan: 21:33

actually the point is the relationship. Sometimes there's outcomes, somebody recovers from an illness, right? Or the the money that I need for Bill. Sometimes those specific needs, they come through. Sometimes they don't right, because the point isn't that I get everything I pray for, it's that I'm deepening in that connection with God. Absolutely, absolutely, that's all that's awesome. So then the second thing that is in this section, is so the religious leaders, they weren't setting a good example. Their prayers were public prayers for public praise. But the pagans were also very highly religious. They had rituals. The pagans being, in this case, people who were not of Jewish faith, very devoted to their to their whatever they believed the deity was, and they would go through long religious rituals, prayer performances, and Jesus highlights something that they would do. He says, Do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles or non Jews do they think that they will be heard for their many words. This is interesting. Jesus gone from talking about the Jewish misrepresentation of prayer to the non Jew misrepresentation. What do you think about that? What was Jesus getting at when he said, Now, don't be like them either.

Otavio: 22:53

That next verse really gives you a great insight into what Jesus is communicating. Don't be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. And it's once again, the relationship we have, so many earthly relationships, that we can literally draw from and look at that gives us insight into some of what Jesus is communicating. Now, not only am I husband, I'm also a father, but this also works in the relationship with my wife as well, but as a dad, literally, my daughter does not have to come to me and literally, like, beg me for her attention to get my attention. She doesn't have to, like, just keep going at me and going and going and going, because that will ultimately get something the moment she comes, literally, the moment she comes my I melt like I'm a girl dad, and I literally melt listen, and I'm really, I'm ready and willing to give the world for her the moment she comes to me. And it's the same way with God, like we don't have to come and be like, Okay, if I say it this way this many times, and put this equation with it, then maybe it'll get his attention, and then maybe he'll give it to me. No number one, he knows exactly what you need. He's already in tune with you, and this building of the relationship, he's wanting you to get more in tune with him, and you can come to him. You don't have to be over wordy, you don't have to feel like you have to plead and beg. He's there. He hears you, he knows what you need, and if he deems that that thing is for your best interest, he'll give it to you. If not, he'll give you something better. And so we have to be willing to accept the fact that with God, we don't have to get his attention, he's already in tune with what we need well before we even come to him, that'd be,

Bob: 24:46

yeah, that's beautiful. So on the one hand, he's saying, don't be like the religious folks who are looking for, you know, the clicks or the likes or the glory by praying on the street corners. But don't be like the ones that are. Not of the Hebrew faith. The pagans, they were not of the Hebrew faith, where they're to their deity, to their God. They're repeating themselves over and over and over and over and over. So that's the communication that they're having this repetition, because they believe that through much repetition, that their god that they're praying to, well then all of a sudden, listen to them, right, right? So like you were saying, Otavio with your daughter when she comes to you, it's great illustration. You're as a dad, your love for her is huge, right? So it melts your heart that she's coming to you. You welcome her coming to you. So God, in that sense, welcomes us coming right? He appreciates it when we come to him, because he's like that Dad—that's exciting. Hey, Nathan or Otavio is coming to me, right? Right? It's coming to me. I get an opportunity to dialog with him, with them, right on this intimate level. And that's, that's the God who Jesus is, is painting the correct picture of not the one who needs repetition all the time in order to get his attention, not the one who we got to go on the street corner to make our display. Right?

Nathan: 26:05

Wait, so are you telling me that prayer is not my moment to present my shopping list to God?

Bob: 26:14

You know it's interesting, because most people see prayer in that light presenting your shopping this to God. That's not God's intention. I believe that God would, if you come with your shopping list, he's going to listen, because he's going to try to take you to another level, right? You know what I'm saying? Right? Yeah, I'm listening to you, and I'm going to help you, but that's not where I'm at, right, right? I really want an intimate relationship with you, where we're just like, like, Jesus talked about that. You're not my servant. You're my friend, right? And friends a good friend, right? The Bible says that A friend loves at all times, right? So good friend loves at all time, right? So that's who God is. He's just trying to give us these pictures of God and who he is. So he took us into so yes, to answer your question, God's not just a God who wants to bring our shopping list to him, but he'll, he'll relate with us if that's what we do, because he wants to try to bring us to another level.

Nathan: 27:10

I mean, that's awesome. So it's thinking is he's like, I've got your shopping list. I mean, can you imagine if you're if your daughter came to you, she hears your shopping she comes to you, she says, Daddy, don't forget. It would break your heart. Like, really, you, really you think that I'm gonna forget about milk and cereal and where God's like, he's like, I know that stuff, right? I really want to just connect with you. I wanna let's, let's, I know that stuff. Let's go to the let's, let's go to the deep stuff. Let's talk about that thing at work or that issue that you're wrestling with inside of your heart. Let let's go there and process that, let's process this stuff from childhood that still haunts you. Let's process that. I know the shopping list. I'll take care of that, but I want to, I want you to experience connecting with me and the life that that's going to infuse in you, right,

Otavio: 27:55

right? And to the shopping list. Example, sure, listen, as Bob was saying, if that's where you're at and that's what you're bringing to God, he welcomes that what matters to you matters to God. That's beautiful. But what God wants to communicate to you more than anything is, not only does what mattered to you mattered to him, but you matter. And I was hearing that kind of his I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's you've mattered to him all, and so he's like, Come with your shopping list, if that's what you've got, just call right? Because at the end of the day, what you will experience with me is that you're gonna be heard, and you're gonna be communicated with, and you matter, and you'll realize you'll walk away from the encounter with me much more whole than before you came. That was

Bob: 28:42

beautiful. And I think to piggyback on that Jesus sought to really communicate with people that you're a value in the eyes of you know, and that's huge. We need to be valued at human his human beings to love and be loved is what every heart yearns. Every I see it everywhere. That's what we're longing for. And that experience, the answer to that thirst is found in this intimate relationship with God. That's all and that you're a value in his eyes. You know, oftentimes in the human world, you're only a value to somebody as long as you got something to offer them. Bottom line, as soon as you don't offer them. Somebody was just telling me a horrible story the other day about their son, whose jacket got caught on the top of an escalator, and when he went to pull it out, somehow it flipped him over, and he landed like 30 feet down below on the concrete. And it was amazing that he lived. His skull was shattered, and they took him through all kinds of rehab and all kinds of they actually built a part of a skull to replace that for him. But anyways, what happened on the night when he ended up at the hospital is his wife came in and just looked at him and said, I'm on air. Oh, wow, she was done. Walked away. Mm. Wow. So the husband, then was only a value to her as long as he was healthy, as long as he was producing, but as soon as he wasn't, he walked away. And so as human relationships, oftentimes, again, you're not a value to somebody unless you're producing something. But with God, that's not who God is. You're a value to him no matter where you are in the journey of life, if you're in the deepest, darkest valley, you're still a value to him. If you failed in whatever you're doing an earthly thing, you're a value to him. Even when we live outside with a framework and harmony with God, what the Bible calls sin, right? You're still a value to him because he's pursuing after you. It's the beauty of it's also so this relationship, this prayer and coming to God, he's excited because you're valued him.

Nathan: 30:53

That's awesome. So, I mean, we got to wrap this up. See, experience, live. See, you just gave us the C and the experience. So C would be, can I back up a minute? You can back back up? Yeah. Well, so one more thing real quick. So, so,

Bob: 31:09

you know, communication, obviously, is huge in any relationship, right? So when Jesus was saying, don't be like the pagans who repeat things over and over, because God doesn't need you to do that, right? Like, I don't need to come to you and say, Nathan, can I have a glass of water? Nathan, can I have a glass of water? Nathan, can I have a glass of water? Nathan, can I have a glass of water? If I ask you for a glass of water, you're gonna give it to me because I'm thirsty. So God is trying to teach, like, a principle of communication with him, that you don't need to be repeating something over and over in order to get his attention, because you already have it. That's awesome, because that's who he is, right? So, see, experience lives. So you're asking me about

Nathan: 31:45

living C, C, I mean, I think what do I covered like C and experience C was this. You've talked about this God that we matter to him. I mean, you both have talked about this idea that we matter to God. I think for me, that's the C. I mean, that seems like that's just neon light sign see and live. I don't know if you want to add to that, but that's

Bob: 32:07

what I'm hearing. I do want to add to that. We see a God that is different than many other gods that are painted out there. We don't see that God, Christian god. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, there's, there's many variations of the Christian God, but we don't see a God who's up here and we're down here. We see a God who's among us, right, and wants to be one with us, and we have the privilege of being one with him. That's what we're seeing, that that God, who the Bible says, is love. So God is love, right? And that he demonstrates to us on a daily basis, and he demonstrated that in the life of Christ,

Otavio: 32:47

that's good experience, experience the the fact that we can be connected to him. Prayer gives us the ability to be connected to God like literally. Think about that for a moment. God, the God of the universe, the creator, the one who spoke and it came into existence, the one who formed us, the one who knew us before that God, we can be connected to prayer gives us the ability to be connected and we can communicate with him, that's an amazing

Nathan: 33:24

experience. Amazing, yeah, yeah. And live no no see, yeah, live, last one see experience and then live.

Bob: 33:31

Living to me would be, I come from a very dysfunctional home, right? So communication was just pretty much a zero, yeah, my dad was drunk pretty much every day and and it was just chaos. So communication was zero. So in my journey of life, I feel like I'm still learning to communicate and improve communication. So living to me would be continuing to learn to communicate with God and experience Him communicating with me, right? Because there's a process. So I want to say to the audience today if, again, if you don't have a prayer life, or you're frustrated with your prayer life, just look at who God is. Look at the invitation to you and live it by just practicing right practice.

Nathan: 34:24

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Bob: 35:44

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